Araneus diadematus, ID'd from photo by Dr. Rovner.
The males are trickier than the females. I’m not sure if the banding on the legs match up too well with A. diadematus….
Maybe that is what the other one is though? The humps are more pronounced than normal but maybe it’s just dehydrated? I can’t be sure.
My first thought on this one was A. nordmanni, but I know there are other similar possibilities so I’m usually tentative placing them:
Really appreciate the discussion!